Windsor Collar Shirt and Half Windsor Tie Knot

Windsor Collar Shirt and Half Windsor Tie Knot

16-02-2010 asked by Scott
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I'm curious as to why your windsor collar shirts have ties with half windsor knots (I think they're half windsor).  I thought the purpose of the windsor collar was to support the larger windsor knot.  Is the windsor knot not in style anymore?

Also, is there such a thing as a double windsor knot or is it just the same as the full windsor knot?

Best.

John Francomb

Whilst our cutaway Windsor collar can accommodate a full-Windsor knot, it can look equally as good with a skinny tie and a narrow knot (like a four-in-hand) - it is purely a matter of personal taste and style.  We use a half-Windsor knot generally in our displays and this has become almost a signature house style.

You may have noticed that there is currently a trend for narrower ties, in fact there has been for several years now, we've actually reduced the width of our main range ties in addition to offering 5cm and 7cm widths in our John Francomb collection!

I am not aware of a double Windsor knot - the largest knot I know how to tie is the full-Windsor.

Thanks for your question!

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I've noticed the trend toward narrower ties. (I was quite surprised to see Hawes and Curtis offering a wide fashion tie line recently.)  All of my ties are in the 9 cm range.  To what width are you taking the main range of ties?

I've also noticed a trend toward smaller collars as well e.g. Hugo Boss and Ben Sherman to name a few. I appreciate TM Lewin's focus on classic collars.  Do you have plans to reduce collar sizes as well?

Hi Scott, Our standard width of ties are 8.5cm - so not too far different in shape to those you own - but we also have the 'Bright' range which are 8.5cm, and two John Francomb ranges at 7cm and 5cm. Regarding collar size, we won't be reducing any of our collars - but we will be introducing new styles! There will be the 'Sienna' a fully-fitted John Francomb shirt that will be in stores in April, there will also be the 'Roma' which has a smaller pointed collar. We consider the smaller collar to be a continuing trend, so there could be more in the works! Dan

Hmm...it's generally accepted that a tie-knot looks balanced in the space created at the collar spread if the knot occupies a third of that space. However, fashion does what fashion does, and fashion breaks the rules creating trends that people will follow. (Trends can last from between 3 and up to 10 years.) Depending on whether your personality can 'carry off' the more outlandish rule breaking or trend, will determine if the wearer looks like a fashion victim or fashionably stylish. Everyone has a style appropriate to them as an individual and it follows that not everyone can carry off all the trends.

There are 4 basic knots that a man needs to know to get him through life although Thomas Fink and Yong Mao researched tie knots and created 85 ways to tie a tie. (If you're interested in that kind of detail!)

The 4 basic knots I would recommend would be The Windsor, The Four-in-Hand, The Half Windsor and a knot called The Custom Shop Knot. This last knot is very useful especially as it always remains soft however tightly it is pulled.

The most impressive tie knot a man can learn is The Bow Tie - even if he only uses it once.

Good knowledge!

I agree with the bow tie skill - here's John Francomb's video tutorial on how to tie one: http://community.tmlewin.co.uk/look-sharp/videos?page=3

Hi, How do you do a Custom Shop Knot?